Comments on: Breaking News: Jonathan Sanchez Fifth Giant In Team History To Toss No-Hitter! http://www.baseballdailydigest.com/2009/07/11/breaking-news-jonathan-sanchez-on-path-to-perfection/ Covering America's Favorite Pastime Wed, 25 Aug 2010 22:15:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Michael Street http://www.baseballdailydigest.com/2009/07/11/breaking-news-jonathan-sanchez-on-path-to-perfection/comment-page-1/#comment-3748 Michael Street Sat, 11 Jul 2009 20:43:46 +0000 http://www.baseballdailydigest.com/blogs/2009/07/11/breaking-news-jonathan-sanchez-on-path-to-perfection/#comment-3748 It's funny you mention the Dock Ellis no-no, Brian. I had originally written that in my comment, but deleted it, since (after all) Ellis was a pretty good pitcher. Acid or not, he had the skills, even if he did walk 8 in the no-no. Thanks for the list, Rob. I knew someone would have a line on those kind of odds! It's a good question as to whether a no-hitter is as much a statistical fluke/necessity as a demonstration of skill (meaning that, in so many games pitched, someone's going to throw a no-hitter). So much depends on pitching style and (sometimes) scoring decisions that it's clearly a mistake to say that one no-no is an indication of overwhelming stuff and skill. Multiple no-nos are likely a better indication; not sure if there's any mediocre pitchers on that list.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('3748','Michael Street'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('3748','Michael Street','It\'s funny you mention the Dock Ellis no-no, Brian. I had originally written that in my comment, but deleted it, since (after all) Ellis was a pretty good pitcher. Acid or not, he had the skills, even if he did walk 8 in the no-no. \r\n\r\nThanks for the list, Rob. I knew someone would have a line on those kind of odds!\r\n\r\nIt\'s a good question as to whether a no-hitter is as much a statistical fluke\/necessity as a demonstration of skill (meaning that, in so many games pitched, someone\'s going to throw a no-hitter). So much depends on pitching style and (sometimes) scoring decisions that it\'s clearly a mistake to say that one no-no is an indication of overwhelming stuff and skill. \r\n\r\nMultiple no-nos are likely a better indication; not sure if there\'s any mediocre pitchers on that list.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> It’s funny you mention the Dock Ellis no-no, Brian. I had originally written that in my comment, but deleted it, since (after all) Ellis was a pretty good pitcher. Acid or not, he had the skills, even if he did walk 8 in the no-no.

Thanks for the list, Rob. I knew someone would have a line on those kind of odds!

It’s a good question as to whether a no-hitter is as much a statistical fluke/necessity as a demonstration of skill (meaning that, in so many games pitched, someone’s going to throw a no-hitter). So much depends on pitching style and (sometimes) scoring decisions that it’s clearly a mistake to say that one no-no is an indication of overwhelming stuff and skill.

Multiple no-nos are likely a better indication; not sure if there’s any mediocre pitchers on that list.

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]]> By: Rob McQuown http://www.baseballdailydigest.com/2009/07/11/breaking-news-jonathan-sanchez-on-path-to-perfection/comment-page-1/#comment-3747 Rob McQuown Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:45:24 +0000 http://www.baseballdailydigest.com/blogs/2009/07/11/breaking-news-jonathan-sanchez-on-path-to-perfection/#comment-3747 So is having a first name like "Iron" or "Bumpus", too.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('3747','Rob McQuown'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('3747','Rob McQuown','So is having a first name like \"Iron\" or \"Bumpus\", too.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> So is having a first name like “Iron” or “Bumpus”, too.
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]]> By: Brian Joseph http://www.baseballdailydigest.com/2009/07/11/breaking-news-jonathan-sanchez-on-path-to-perfection/comment-page-1/#comment-3746 Brian Joseph Sat, 11 Jul 2009 05:29:12 +0000 http://www.baseballdailydigest.com/blogs/2009/07/11/breaking-news-jonathan-sanchez-on-path-to-perfection/#comment-3746 All no hitters are pretty bloody unlikely the more I think about it! :)<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('3746','Brian Joseph'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('3746','Brian Joseph','All no hitters are pretty bloody unlikely the more I think about it! :)'); return false;">Quote</a></div> All no hitters are pretty bloody unlikely the more I think about it! :)
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]]> By: Rob McQuown http://www.baseballdailydigest.com/2009/07/11/breaking-news-jonathan-sanchez-on-path-to-perfection/comment-page-1/#comment-3745 Rob McQuown Sat, 11 Jul 2009 05:24:48 +0000 http://www.baseballdailydigest.com/blogs/2009/07/11/breaking-news-jonathan-sanchez-on-path-to-perfection/#comment-3745 The Neyer/James Guide to Pitchers (http://www.robneyer.com/book_04_ExpectNoNo.html) takes a stab at it, and comes up with this list: No-Hitters Pitcher Hits/9 Starts Expected Actual Bumpus Jones 9.07 7 .0038 1 Bobo Holloman 9.55 10 .0039 1 Bud Smith 9.92 24 .007 1 Walter Thornton 10.51 48 .009 1 Iron Davis 9.19 22 .011 1 Bill Hawke 10.63 66 .012 1 Jose Jimenez 9.78 38 .012 1 Mike Warren 9.12 7 .014 1 Bill McCahan 9.19 40 .020 1 George Culver 9.05 57 .031 1<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('3745','Rob McQuown'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('3745','Rob McQuown','The Neyer\/James Guide to Pitchers (http:\/\/www.robneyer.com\/book_04_ExpectNoNo.html) takes a stab at it, and comes up with this list:\r\n\r\n No-Hitters\r\nPitcher Hits\/9 Starts Expected Actual\r\nBumpus Jones 9.07 7 .0038 1\r\nBobo Holloman 9.55 10 .0039 1\r\nBud Smith 9.92 24 .007 1\r\nWalter Thornton 10.51 48 .009 1\r\nIron Davis 9.19 22 .011 1\r\nBill Hawke 10.63 66 .012 1\r\nJose Jimenez 9.78 38 .012 1\r\nMike Warren 9.12 7 .014 1\r\nBill McCahan 9.19 40 .020 1\r\nGeorge Culver 9.05 57 .031 1'); return false;">Quote</a></div> The Neyer/James Guide to Pitchers (http://www.robneyer.com/book_04_ExpectNoNo.html) takes a stab at it, and comes up with this list:

No-Hitters
Pitcher Hits/9 Starts Expected Actual
Bumpus Jones 9.07 7 .0038 1
Bobo Holloman 9.55 10 .0039 1
Bud Smith 9.92 24 .007 1
Walter Thornton 10.51 48 .009 1
Iron Davis 9.19 22 .011 1
Bill Hawke 10.63 66 .012 1
Jose Jimenez 9.78 38 .012 1
Mike Warren 9.12 7 .014 1
Bill McCahan 9.19 40 .020 1
George Culver 9.05 57 .031 1

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]]> By: Brian Joseph http://www.baseballdailydigest.com/2009/07/11/breaking-news-jonathan-sanchez-on-path-to-perfection/comment-page-1/#comment-3744 Brian Joseph Sat, 11 Jul 2009 05:17:10 +0000 http://www.baseballdailydigest.com/blogs/2009/07/11/breaking-news-jonathan-sanchez-on-path-to-perfection/#comment-3744 Ernie Shore's no-hitter on June 23, 1917 was probably a little more unlikely. In relief of Babe Ruth after Ruth walked the first batter and then was tossed, the first batter was caught stealing and Shore retired 26 straight. Sure, technically, it wasn't really a no-hitter but it's a little more unlikely. There are plenty of unlikely no-hitters in Major League history though, really. Bobo Holloman tossed one in his first Major League start. Dock Ellis claims to have tossed one under the influence of LSD. Those two are pretty unlikely, too. And there are plenty of names on the list that seem highly unlikely: Bud Smith? Jose Jimenez?? It's just a cool, unlikely thing that happens from time to time that we should hope we're lucky enough to be around to see it because they are just a lot of fun! :)<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('3744','Brian Joseph'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('3744','Brian Joseph','Ernie Shore\'s no-hitter on June 23, 1917 was probably a little more unlikely. In relief of Babe Ruth after Ruth walked the first batter and then was tossed, the first batter was caught stealing and Shore retired 26 straight. Sure, technically, it wasn\'t really a no-hitter but it\'s a little more unlikely.\r\n\r\nThere are plenty of unlikely no-hitters in Major League history though, really. Bobo Holloman tossed one in his first Major League start. Dock Ellis claims to have tossed one under the influence of LSD. Those two are pretty unlikely, too.\r\n\r\nAnd there are plenty of names on the list that seem highly unlikely: Bud Smith? Jose Jimenez?? \r\n\r\nIt\'s just a cool, unlikely thing that happens from time to time that we should hope we\'re lucky enough to be around to see it because they are just a lot of fun! :)'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Ernie Shore’s no-hitter on June 23, 1917 was probably a little more unlikely. In relief of Babe Ruth after Ruth walked the first batter and then was tossed, the first batter was caught stealing and Shore retired 26 straight. Sure, technically, it wasn’t really a no-hitter but it’s a little more unlikely.

There are plenty of unlikely no-hitters in Major League history though, really. Bobo Holloman tossed one in his first Major League start. Dock Ellis claims to have tossed one under the influence of LSD. Those two are pretty unlikely, too.

And there are plenty of names on the list that seem highly unlikely: Bud Smith? Jose Jimenez??

It’s just a cool, unlikely thing that happens from time to time that we should hope we’re lucky enough to be around to see it because they are just a lot of fun! :)

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]]> By: Michael Street http://www.baseballdailydigest.com/2009/07/11/breaking-news-jonathan-sanchez-on-path-to-perfection/comment-page-1/#comment-3743 Michael Street Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:51:39 +0000 http://www.baseballdailydigest.com/blogs/2009/07/11/breaking-news-jonathan-sanchez-on-path-to-perfection/#comment-3743 It's even more surprising to come from a pitcher with such a mediocre career. He's got a career 5.21 ERA, 1.55 WHIP, and has always had a good strikeout ratio (9.0 K/9 career) but gives up a bunch of hits (9.1 H/9) and walks (4.8 BB/9). And he'd never be in the rotation if Randy Johnson hadn't hit the DL. Sanchez was in the bullpen because of his awful 2-8 record as a starter, with a 5.62 ERA and 1.77 WHIP. Is this the unlikeliest no-no in history?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('3743','Michael Street'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('3743','Michael Street','It\'s even more surprising to come from a pitcher with such a mediocre career. He\'s got a career 5.21 ERA, 1.55 WHIP, and has always had a good strikeout ratio (9.0 K\/9 career) but gives up a bunch of hits (9.1 H\/9) and walks (4.8 BB\/9).\r\n\r\nAnd he\'d never be in the rotation if Randy Johnson hadn\'t hit the DL. Sanchez was in the bullpen because of his awful 2-8 record as a starter, with a 5.62 ERA and 1.77 WHIP.\r\n\r\nIs this the unlikeliest no-no in history?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> It’s even more surprising to come from a pitcher with such a mediocre career. He’s got a career 5.21 ERA, 1.55 WHIP, and has always had a good strikeout ratio (9.0 K/9 career) but gives up a bunch of hits (9.1 H/9) and walks (4.8 BB/9).

And he’d never be in the rotation if Randy Johnson hadn’t hit the DL. Sanchez was in the bullpen because of his awful 2-8 record as a starter, with a 5.62 ERA and 1.77 WHIP.

Is this the unlikeliest no-no in history?

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